I'm more surprised than impressed...even the next morning...
From: (Anonymous) 2009-07-09 06:19 am (UTC)
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Cool! David sounds like a good director. :)
Mezzo is in some ways the best of both worlds. Enjoy the exploration.
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He is a fantastic director and teacher, incredible to sing with. He can take a big (huge) choir, two or three churches' choirs, and in less than ten minutes have them singing together very well--and in a couple of rehearsals bring them up several levels--and keep doing that, all the way to the warm-up before the performance, each time refining, adjusting, tinkering with this and that...and then we just flat completely blow people away. Squeaky sopranos quit squeaking and start sounding 100% better; growly altos quit growling and start sounding 100% better; breathy wobbly straining tenors...grunty and growly basses...all of us sound 100% better.
And he has this gorgeous tenor voice, full of warmth and joy, not the sort of brassy kind, which he will distort into all sorts of positions to demonstrate what's wrong, and then how to sing it right.
I have huge admiration for anyone who can stand up in public and sing!
It helps if you're buried in a good-sized choir...
YAY! A mezzo like me! *big grin*
You have suggestions for me?
My parents - Mum a mezzo like ourselves, and Dad a bass-baritone - started singing lessons five years or so ago. Dad has shown more immediate improvement, but he also practices a lot more than my mother (being the one with the impetus and drive to get them singing again).
They like Rossini for the duets between mezzos and baritones.
You will stretch those muscles again. Like any physical skill (as you know) it takes time and practice to reacquire strength and flexibility in the muscles. I suggest following David's instructions, mostly. A good vocal instructor's job is getting the most out of the vocalists. Practice as much as you can - I no longer get funny looks in my local supermarket when I go up and down the aisles singing harmony to whatever happens to be playing over the speakers. And once you have a bit more confidence in your capacity to produce the sound, ask David what skills you can work on for performance. Those skills will help you in situations when you feel pressured and historically have had more difficulty producing good tone due to those pressures. Stagecraft is a completely different skill to vocal production, and you don't have to have the best musical skills in the world to be a riveting performer.
Stagecraft is one of the things I work on with my singing teacher. Before I met my singing teacher, I had never ever been allowed to use a microphone to sing with. No, I tell a lie, I used one once in a school production where one of the other soloists was convinced that it was malfunctioning - it was actually picking up her theatrical chest-thumps (this was the production where the person who could sing three or four tones higher than the highest note in the part got the female lead, the person who was the most gregarious of us and could act the best got second female, and I (could only sing two notes higher than the highest note, not gregarious or outgoing, acted in everything available and got better the more I did (memory is easy, projecting emotion is hard but possible with practice)) got third). I learned to project volume to be heard early, so I was told I didn't need one. But it's a useful tool to be able to use, and I can and do now. Anyway, I work on stagecraft at the moment, watching and mentally note-taking what the people who I find most engaging are doing, and what the people other people find engaging are doing, and doing a big internal processing of all the data. And then trying it out on my teacher, who offers me things I can do to go further in the direction I want to go. We're also working on putting chest voice in and stretching the range of that technique, because I came to my singing teacher without any chest voice at all - or any vibrato for that matter.
That's another thing. I stopped singing as soon as Dad wasn't paying for the lessons primarily because I wasn't learning what I wanted to know. Dad was paying the bills when I was in school, so I learned opera and lots of repertoire without ever learning any stagecraft or learning how to convey emotion in the performance. I could do vocally wonderful things, and combined with the fact that I can sight-read, I was at one stage picking up a new piece every week, never practicing, and having it note-perfect by the next lesson while hating the whole thing due to boredom. I can still sing 'Ombra Mai Fu', although I no longer remember the words, as we actually spent more than one week on the recitative. Now I am learning to produce more modern music, music I enjoy hearing and producing. And it's hard, but I want to work on it.
YOU need to do what you enjoy :D Work on the techniques which allow you to do the things YOU want. As long as you have figured out what you want to do right now, that is. And figuring out what direction you want to go in is a goal well worth working towards.
Wow--thanks for the advice. Much appreciated!
Mezzo-soprano is awesome, all pretty gold tones. My mom's a mezzo :). My sister is darker, probably contralto. I'm a typical bright silver soprano, and I am easily terrified so none of my directors made me solo. I am very grateful.
See, I always thought of my voice, after I eased back into singing a little, as being the darkest molasses. Maybe it would get up to the level of buckwheat honey, brownish dark gold. I thought the occasional flashes of higher notes were accidental, probably not good, etc.
But there were individual instances I didn't know how to interpret. In '86, at the Atlanta Worldcon (my first, which hit me with a jolt of energy) I was staying out of the room a lot because my roommates were quarreling and I didn't want to be in the middle. So I was up later than usual, and I'd written the music to sing "The Rules of Aare" which went up higher than I thought my voice would go. And the elevator enclosure, just off that high atrium, had wonderful acoustics, so late at night and drunk on excitement and fear of going back to find that they were still at it, I sang it...high A and all, and that night, at that after-midnight hour, it sounded the way I heard it in my head. But my interpretation of that was that the elevator enclosure made the sound and anyway it couldn't have been that good.
Mom always points out one of the big reasons why lessons are a big deal is that it's terribly hard to hear your own voice and trust that what you hear is accurate. It's a skill, and outside of voice training very little will develop it... and even more irritating, if you're in a musical backwater, even a "good" teacher may not be able to help you develop it.
My teacher suggested that I find a way to record myself, because when I listen to the recording, I get a lot more data than I do when I am hearing it from inside the resonating container that is my skull :P It's not that I don't hear my voice accurately, it's that I get more data that way.
That's really awesome! I'm really glad you took the plunge.
But if you keep this up, all your childhood baggage will fall away. Then where will you be? :-)
Oh, hon! I have enough childhood baggage to keep me going for another century! (Joke! Honest!)
I have enough childhood baggage to keep me going for another century!
<looks forward to another century worth's of books >
Sorry about the baggage, but I won't mind a bit.
As with many other kinds of trash, if you look at it as "material" it acquires new importance. You know, the "it's not rotting vegetables, it's *compost*" or "That's not a dead bicycle seat! Picasso made *art* out of stuff like that!"
So childhood baggage provides the writer with endless possibilities--consider, for instance, that if my young voice had been appreciated, nurtured, trained, and it had been (as I still doubt it was) a really superb one...would I have become a writer of anything but another aged singer's memoirs? Music is as demanding as writing, if you do it at a high level professionally. And if I'd done it less well, the time spent on it could still have been enough to bump me out of other things I've done that provided both satisfaction and Useful Bits for the writing.
I toy with the regrets for possibilities truncated mostly to collect the feelings for my characters to use. Some stuff was hell...but look what I was able to make out of it. Ha!
Lovely tale. Plus you've got my story down cold--except in my case it was how I stopped being a mezzo/second soprano at age thirty and turned into a first. (Of course I've lost it again, after twenty years of not singing, but--)
I am living proof that if you don't sing for twenty years in midlife...you can get it back. You do have to start slowly with no expectations of what's coming, but...I'm singing better at 64 than I did at 54.
That's if you want to. Only if you want to.
I remember being in a choir camp years and years ago where the altos (all 5? 6? of us) had to hit that F#6 (just above the teble staff ... I think in handbell notations) and it seemed that every rehearsal one of us couldn't but the rest could. The sopranos (30? 35? of them) often had trouble hitting the G6 (1/2 step higher). I always thought that if they couldn't hit it they should join us. I loved the experience (I also REALLY loved it when the director found a piece that had the altos and basses doing melody with tenors and sopranos basically doing drones). I love reading about your musical experiences. Thank you for sharing your joy in music with the rest of us.
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Oh, I too love it when the altos and basses get melody...but boy can the sops and tenors complain! "It's so *boring*!" Well, yeah. Hence my earlier propensity for making up new alto lines....wicked me.
Yup! "It doesn't even have a trill!!!!" (and?) "how are we supposed to avoid getting lost with the same notes over and over" (counting? listening to the others?)
I remember hating a song that the choir director at church when I was a child had us sing every Palm Sunday for 4 years. I think the alto part had 3 different notes in the whole song. BORING! It didn't even have interesting words or timings.
A group "Technical Difficulties" did a re-write of Pachebel's Canon that had one verse singing something like "This is boring, it must be my part, it took me 2 seconds to learn it by heart" which sums up a lot of alto music that I've heard (which is one reason I sing tenor when I do the chorus ... the other being I get to listen to my friend Jim's fabulous voice).
You realize what this means.
Now we gotta get you into the filk room sometime.
Uh oh. Shot myself in both feet, did I?
You have heard the old saw about the curse of the mezzo? I suspect it's an opera joke/not joke that if you are a mezzo, all of one's roles end up being witches, bitches, or britches.
I think my mother would have been delighted had I turned out to be a mezzo or a contralto. She disliked high voices, particually if they were shrill or squeaky, which, in children, they tend to be. My speaking voice was acceptably low-pitched, so when I sang high she would snap at me to stop using "that put-on voice".
The laugh was on her, I turned out to be a first soprano, and she just had to suck it up and shut up about it.
*snort*. Hey, at my age I'm already type-cast as the first two of the three (being now too heavy to play britches roles.) And I love your ending up as a first sop. I love the silver voices if they're good ones (squeaky/hissy, not so much.)
Afraid mine was very parson's egg. Parts of it were excellent.
Actually with training, it might have been very good. The raw material was worth the effort. But I didn't get the training, and now I have the kind of voice you earn from not singing for 30 years.
Thank you so much for the report. The difference a good teacher makes sounds tremendous, and if you can afford it, I think you should treat yourself to more lessons - like riding, it's well worth it. (I don't know what I am because I've got no singing training at all - I can hit a lot of notes, but not very reliably.)
I'll have to figure something out...
Mezzo soprano roles in opera include Carmen, Amneris in Aida, and the maid Suzuki in Butterfly. Like Maria Callas, Frederica Von Stade, Marilyn Horne, Anne Sofie von Otter and Cecilia Bartoli.
Congratulations.
Er...you don't expect me to *sing* those roles, do you?
Though some of them would be fun. I've seen Bartoli on Great Performances and enjoyed her.
No, but I am having a great time imagining you singing Amneris.
From: (Anonymous) 2009-07-11 12:04 am (UTC)
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Just enjoy it. Being musically challenged at any level but the record player, listening to live music is absolutely incredible.
Jonathan
WOW! My mouth is hanging open.
Brava! Also, congratulations on your hard work & success! Thanks again for sharing your joy[s] in music with us.
I just got back from singing in my cousin's wedding, with someone who has a minor in voice and a professional Broadway singer as the other two sopranos. HA! I discovered that 1) I am in serious need of voice lessons if I'm going to keep my upper range usable, 2) I'm absolutely terrified of vocal directors and coaches. My voice gets all wobbly, my voice constricts, I am easily pulled off pitch or off note when I can't hear someone on my part next to or behind me. I think it's almost entirely lack of confidence in myself, but that's been the case since high school band, when I would be amazing half the time, and completely terrified when the director asked me to play someone by myself.
One day, I really should get over this, and until then, I need more practice. |