2009-02-26 05:35 am (UTC)
Everything takes longer and costs more.
2009-02-26 06:04 am (UTC)
Re: Pournelle's Law
No. My mother's. She was older than Pournelle, an experienced engineer and architect, and she used it about home-building and home-remodeling. "It always takes longer, it always costs more, it always makes more mess than you were planning on."
She is also my source for "Accidents don't happen...they're caused."
I send my best wishes for life in plumber land. Rotting wood under the toilet is so gross.
We have been seeing the birds migrating here in Seattle, which is normal. What is not normal is the snow that is falling right now about about 10:20 p.m. PT. It is the little birds, the Variegated Thrush, Chickadees, Tit Mice, and, of course, the Anna hummingbirds that are hurt in the cold. I have seen none of the bigger birds, like Robins, yet.
Oh boy. Makes my recent adventures in toilet repair look completely minor. And makes me glad we have a house built of concrete, concrete, stone, tile and more concrete. You get interesting molds and tracking down wiring and pipes is "fun" but you don't get structural failures.
Where I grew up (not where I am now) the older houses were built post-and-beam for a reason--the ground was shifty. (The ground was old alluvial soil, over a layer of high-pressure-natural-gas bearing porous stone far enough down to be useless for foundations but shallow enough that when they turned various wellhead controls off and on, the hangers would swing around in closets.) When, in the '50s and after, people started building on concrete slabs, the slabs invariably cracked--and their favorite place to crack was across a plumbing line (ideally, the main water service line.) It was possible to have a house with a concrete slab that didn't do that if you used enough reinforcing material, but that was expensive. Fixing leaks in plumbing embedded in concrete was a different, but no more pleasant, problem.
better to find out the floors were about to cave in before they did when someone was perched there.
I'm sorry, but that images reduces me to helpless giggles. (Won't happen here - there's nothing underneath my ground floor that could give.)
Guess this project will be neither on time nor on budget, but at least you'll be happy with the workmanship...
(and yay for a working bathroom each and the successful handover of choir music. Very important.)
The way we found out about the first such problem, some years ago, was when I sat down and the whole apparatus tilted a very noticeable amount toward the east.
Not wanting that to happen again to anyone. It is ludicrous, but in the way that truly awful things are ludicrous.
R- has already said that the replacement floor he built is better than the one the carpenter worked on yesterday (and I'm sure he's right. R- builds hell-fer-stout when he builds and he opened a hole big enough to get right down into...) But I'm happy that he's not having to build two floors this time and only hope the repairs last out our lives--which is a more reasonable hope once you pass sixty. If, for instance, the new floors don't rot out for another fifty-odd years, we're home free (so to speak.)
I'm losing track of how many rotten bathroom floors I've fixed at this point.
I now refuse to pull toilets myself.
I'll replace the inner workings of the tank, but anything else? Plumber time.
But OMG... four toilets at once? We've got 3 on our property and every once in a while two of them go out at once. It isn't pretty, but we do have a comode...lol.
Four toilets at once...well, each house (the one we live in, the one across the street that was my mother's that we're now renting to our son) has two. That's not excessive. And I thought "Get them all done at once, and we're done with the disturbance and mess and it will cost less because of only one trip by the plumber." Hollow laugh time, right?
And one in each house works. That's the crucial thing. Hurray!
I may be at fencing, though, since you won't for sure, that doesn't help much.
It depends on the bod. The bod is not happy with all the work necessary to clear a path for the plumber to the back bathroom, and with the stresses of yesterday, but if I can manage it I need to take some costume shirts down there for DRW's apprentice. I would like to have the energy to battle R-, but I don't think that's happening yet. Everyone tells me to slow down, be careful, recovery from pneumonia takes weeks, not days...but I want to be 110% NOW, full of energy NOW, able to do twice as much as usual NOW.
We lived in a 1950 vintage wooden house for a year and a half. We called it the zombie house because pieces kept falling off. We had a warped bathroom floor but not an actual rotten one, fortunately. Also fortunately the place had two bathrooms so we were never completely without a toilet. Spouse who is good at this (he was building our permanent house elsewhere on the property at the same time) was able to keep the place habitable for just long enough. Not having to use contractors is WONDERFUL.
We did a lot of stuff on this and other places we lived when we were younger. Still doing a fair bit, but there's a time for contractors, when you get older, tireder, and less agile (R- rebuilt a garden shed this year and seeing his not inconsiderable self on the roof of the wobbly thing gave me a wobbly feeling.)
2009-02-26 05:27 pm (UTC)
As someone who just finished a bathroom remodel, you have my complete sympathy. The floor wasn't rotted, this time, unlike the last time, but the toilet was leaking due to a rusted off mounting bolt, so it was only a matter of time.
Really sorry to hear your bathroom woes. Like many others I've experienced this and it wasn't a pleasany adventure. My mom's house was built a few years, not sure how many, before I was born. So it is over 40 now. Before I moved to Atlanta I did all the upkeep. The bathroom was like yours, wood floors which had been leaking for years but no one knew. I had to replace, floor, sink, tub and toilet. I feel your pain. Bad thing is, that was around 20 years ago and it is in need of repairs again. Yeah, another leak but I wasn't around to find and fix before causing damage. Not too much this time though, just buckled floor.
Good luck with the repairs.
Sorry to hear you were discommoded. I've been told we have a bathtub approaching that situation.
Have had two toilet floor redo's over my life.
Only thing good about it is the chance to misuse the word "discommode."