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Why I Don't Watch TV Debates [Oct. 22nd, 2012|10:33 pm]

In addition to the fact that I absorb information much better by reading than listening, the main reason I don't watch candidate debates, including presidential candidate debates, is that they offer nothing useful in making a decision.   They're bogus--not real debates--not a real exchange of information supporting opposing views.  It's too easy for a plausible liar to look good, too easy for an earnest expression or a forceful manner to hide ignorance or dishonesty.  

What I do, in making a decision on which candidate to support, is look at the whole history of that candidate: his/her previous writing, speaking, acting, voting record...his/her claimed value system v. his/her behavior....his/her claimed and acted-out value system v. my value system, and my beliefs about what is best for the country.   Has the candidate shown competence in the set of job skills he or she will need?   (Does the candidate even have a clue what those are?)    Has the candidate shown the base of knowledge he or she will need in that position?   (Does the candidate even have a clue what he or she needs to know to do the job well?)  Has the candidate shown the kind of character needed for that position?

To get my vote, a candidate does not have to be perfect.  Nobody's perfect.  I can pick holes in any of them--so could most of us.  But there's a difference between a candidate who has, say 78% of the job skills, and 82% of the knowledge base, and 95% of the character traits...and one who has 42% of the job skills, 37% of the knowledge base, and 21% of the character traits.  A candidate with whose basic political philosophy I disagree still might get my vote IF he/she shows awareness of the facts, has the job skills, and is of sufficiently strong character to admit when his/her philosophy runs counter to the facts, and shows sufficient respect for those who disagree.

In this election cycle, it didn't take debates to convince me that Romney/Ryan would not get my vote.   Neither Romney nor Ryan has the knowledge base to be President, nor does either of them show an ability or willingness to learn anything they don't already "know."   Thus they base their policies and decisions on ignorance--not a safe strategy.   Neither Romney nor Ryan has the job skills to exercise the duties of President, as their past histories clearly show.   Neither Romney nor Ryan has the character suited to leading this nation; both have lied in public statements, shown and expressed contempt for large segments of the population, 

Before the presidential candidate debates, it was already clear that Mitt Romney was a practiced and supple liar--a liar willing to continue with a lie proven false over and over because it was a popular lie with his following.    His lies, exposed repeatedly in multiple venues, did not slow him down at all--he repeated the old ones and made up new ones all through the campaign.   I expected him to lie in the debates, and he did--as fact-checkers pointed out after the first two debates (the third is still going on.)   When one participant in a debate is lying, the rest of his/her performance does not matter...the smooth delivery, the signs of confidence, are the signs of a con-man in action, not a principled person.  

So I had no reason to watch the debates, only to look at the fact-checker reports after each.    I support Obama; I supported Obama in 2008, from the precinct level on up, and I support Obama now...on his record (which is not perfect, but outperforms both Romney's in Massachusetts and projections of Romney's policies forward.)    I stand with the "nails ladies" and "animals" and "those people" that Romney's donors think are inferior and "leeches" against the real leeches that do their best to damage those who do the country's work. 

It doesn't take any stupid bogus debate to show me who's the better man for the job and for VP. 

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[User Picture]From: gifted
2012-10-23 04:13 am (UTC)
I agree. It amazes me that anyone actually still listens to anything that comes out of Romney's mouth (and others, but he's the one that comes most to mind at current, after certain disgusting comments on people and world issues).
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[User Picture]From: controuble
2012-10-23 11:26 am (UTC)
Some basic world geography would have helped last night. He said Syria is Iran's gateway to the sea - they don't even share a border and Iran has its own 1400+ miles of shoreline.

Hope you're feeling better. I will see you in San Antonio next year. I got a job (started last week) and will be working for Scott in the art show. It's the least I can do after he came up and worked for me.
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[User Picture]From: e_moon60
2012-10-23 01:00 pm (UTC)
Yes, so I heard all over Twitter right after he said that. You'd think someone in a party supposedly interested in foreign policy, in speaking of an area that's been in the daily news for at least 20 years, since Gulf I, would bother to look at a map now and then. (But then you'd have thought Bush and his advisors would realize the people living in New Orleans were American citizens, not aliens...remember that gaffe?) Maps, with their clear statement of geographical facts, don't seem to be Republicans' favorite tools.

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[User Picture]From: controuble
2012-10-23 01:27 pm (UTC)
Saw the perfect cartoon and can't figure out how to put it into a comment - emailing it to you.
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[User Picture]From: alicephilippa
2012-10-23 01:34 pm (UTC)
I'm on the other side of the pond, and Romney/Ryan scare the bejeesus out of me. That so many are buying into the lie(s) is worrying. Not just for the US but globally.

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[User Picture]From: e_moon60
2012-10-23 01:54 pm (UTC)
Ignorance leads to the inability to tell lie from truth, and that's part of it. The other part is the power of $$$$$$$$ deployed to frighten voters (who work for conservative companies and fear for their jobs) and to make lies plausible to those they haven't yet scared personally. The GOP's been using fear tactics very effectively for decades.

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[User Picture]From: dinahprincedaly
2012-10-23 02:10 pm (UTC)
Its heartening that Iran has just revealed they would like Obama to win... a definitive vote from an unstable situation and for me, this is exactly why I have felt safer these four years... character. You put all that thinking clearly and eloquently. thanks
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[User Picture]From: made_of_paradox
2012-10-23 02:26 pm (UTC)
I don't watch TV debates because I don't watch TV, for the most part. I think your reasons given are good ones.

As for the geography blunder- I can't fathom not looking at maps to stay on top of what I need to be on top of. A basic knowledge of world geography ought to be demonstrated before anyone gets on a ballot for national office. (Also some rudimentary skills in mathematics, mostly being able to do simple addition & subtraction, and understanding orders of magnitude. Understanding which numbers to punch into the calculator and how to do that for more complicated things would be good, as well, and being able to estimate answers so you can spot when you've really goofed with the data entry ought to be demonstrated.)
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[User Picture]From: EClaireMcLean
2012-10-23 03:28 pm (UTC)
Mittens probably doesn't snap to the fact that Persia (as in Persian Gulf) is the former name of Iran. The Iranians speak Persian, are not Arabs, and have an extensive coastline.

I really like the use of maps by those who aspire to be Commander in Chief and I want the maxim "Never start a land war in Asia" to be embroidered on their pillow cases.

I have early voted for Obama and assorted Democrats. Phone bankers, please just mark me down as do not call.
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[User Picture]From: kkatowll
2012-10-23 03:43 pm (UTC)
I was very disappointed that the Romney I saw running Mass. and the Salt Lake City Olympics did not show up for the presidential campaign. I live in New York, so I had only limited knowledge of his work in those places, but what I knew (or thought I knew) sounded promising. Instead, I met dozens of different Romneys -- to the point where I don't even know when he's lying. Is he a liberal Republican pretending to be a conservative? Is he a military hawk pretending to not want to start "actual" wars? Who is he???? I can't vote for a cipher. It's far too dangerous.
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[User Picture]From: e_moon60
2012-10-23 08:19 pm (UTC)
I think a lot wasn't known by those out of state (either Massachusetts or Utah) when Romney was running things there. For instance, I didn't know until recently that his "balancing" the Olympics budget was done with federal funds. I didn't know until it was pointed out by fact checkers that his brag about creating jobs in Mass. left the state in 47th place across the nation. We saw the good-looking, apparently affable and effective businessman as he wanted to be seen, and--at least for me in Texas--were busy enough with either our own state politics or national politics to think "Well, he seems to be doing OK". I had a lot of respect for his father George, who had come into an ailing company and made it profitable (my first car was a Rambler of the years his father ran American Motors) and falsely assumed he was cut from the same cloth...had no idea that his "business experience" consisted of hostile takeovers and forcing previously profitable companies into bankruptcy, costing people their jobs. All that happened at a time in my life when I was extremely busy with other concerns.

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[User Picture]From: paksenarrion2
2012-10-24 06:10 am (UTC)
The thing that scares me the most about Romney?

Is he is willing to say whatever it takes in public that will get him elected.

But in private (with people that are like him/think like him) he says what he really thinks. Witness the 47% remark, the "kick the ball down the field" with respect to the Israel/Palestine situation.

And then there are the things he says that shows he is out of touch with the average American. "Students should borrow money from their parents to go to college". "Ann and I earned our money the old-fashioned way."

I could go on and on but I will refrain.

I certainly don't think Obama is the best thing ever. But in comparison, I do think he is the better choice. And I sincerely hope that the Republican party can go a little more left than they currently seem to be. Because with as far right as they have been going? Even my conservative father would be finding them too far right.
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